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"Slowly personal experience and feelings become a standard by which to measure spirituality." This quote speaks to the personal experience of the justified sinner who's experience continues to fall short of God's standard and subsequent feelings of guilt are a result. This standard does not disappear after one is justified. Ones experience also includes living with others and ths subsequent feelings about those interactions. This gets more complicated all the time it seems. These experiences can be looked on as a test of spirituality, not just of one's own. As in all test, one can do well or not so well. Even one's assesment of the test can be a test, as these thoughts or assesment can be true or false. This is something that seems to be a part of being a fallen and redeemed man or woman.
Thank you. Your last paragraph of the post is really helpful, I have never thought of my times of spiritual dryness quite like that. I can definitely relate to the pouting part.
I found this post particularly interesting because of my own history with spiritual dryness. I agree and disagree with you, likely because we come at scripture with different presuppositions. Can we come out stronger? Absolutely! Always God's will? Well, there we'd have to discuss our presuppositions (both perspectives theoretically based on scripture) for hours. I'll just say I disagree. I do give a hearty "Amen" to growing through it in the end, though. My remarks might not fit into the formulas of some doctrinal perspectives, but I'm ok with that. God isn't finite enough to fit into formulas. I would love some comments. My spiritual wrestling isn't over by any means.
As usual, thanks for this discussion. I completely agree with the first part. In fact, I have a quote posted from Albert Einstein: "One cannot but be in awe
when one contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life,
of the marvelous structure of reality.
It is enough
if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery each day.
Never lose a holy curiosity."
I love it because it brings me back to a place of contemplating Who God Is....which is all there is to me.
I'm curious about the disagreements. I would love to hear more from 24/7mom, why she thinks her presuppositions differ. I think there may be something interesting there.
I love liturgy, it's such a beautiful reminder of many elements of my faith. And yet, I haven't been to church in a couple years, because the other aspects of church became too much for me...I know they're my own issues to work out, and chewing on this may help me resolve them a little.
MLH:
It's constantly amazing to me how our pilgrimage together has involved carefully trying to sort out things from our heritage, some that turn out to be good and healthy and some that turn out to be destructive. Perhaps everyone has to do that, I don't know, but we sure have. I certainly have pouted--if by pouting the author means being disappointed in being left in dryness when everyone else seems to be happily living in a cool oasis.
DDH
Douger:
I quite agree. When you point out that "one's assessment of the test is a test" you reveal the complexity of our situation as fallen but redeemed people. It often doesn't seem that way at the moment, so we interpret our condition as failure instead of a challenge to walk by faith.
Thanks for commenting.
Denis
Karen:
Thanks for taking the time to comment. It's nice to know that I'm not the only pouter on the planet.
Denis
24/7 Mom:
Oh, I would love to hear more from you. It could be a fascinating conversation.
Denis
Cassandra:
As you can see from a comment I've left, I'd love to hear more, too.
Many people love liturgy but feel distanced from the church. It's a sad reality shared by more than a few. More than once in my pilgrimage I've considered walking away. The reason I haven't is that I do believe there are graces I need available only through the church (especially centered the sacraments and other means of grace).
May you find beauty and mercy in this stage of your pilgrimage.
Denis
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